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:iconizzymedrano: Had a jreat jornal that pretty much says evething i want to say on a subject, so i just copy paste it here, Agin its not my wrighting but of  :iconizzymedrano: original post is here ariokh.deviantart.com/journal/…


I do freelance as well as my full time job, and I am always setting up the next job. it's a safe bet, that if i'm breathing, I'm painting or hustling to get paid for more painting. That's what I do for a living. It's how I put food on the table, and porn in the bathroom.

That said, I thought it bore mentioning especially here on DA though, that I work for HIRE. If your sweet RPG project, or video game pitch has no budget at all for art, it will save both of our time if you don't try to tap me for artwork. I Do realize I'm passing up an amazing opportunity for me to make my portfolio way more awesome, and that I won't be getting that free publicity. It's a risk I'll have to take.

I'm not opposed to people making things out of their garage, in fact, I wholesale endorse it and want you to succeed with it. I sincerely hope your team is a massive success.

I can't work for free though.

You wouldn't ask a gardener to stop by your place to do your lawn for free because it would be really awesome for him. You wouldn't ask a chef to cater your wedding for free because you have the sickest idea for how the wedding will go, right?
You wouldn't send requests to a lawyer to hook you up with free intellectual property law consultations.

Just because I do art, doesn't mean my time is any less valuable than all of those guys. I spent just as much time in school. Quite a damn bit of money I'm still trying to pay off, and years of suffering through trying to get better and better.

When you pay an artist for their work, their prices denote not just the cost of their time, the materials, or the effort for your project. What you are paying for is the cost of experience. A lifetime spent perfecting a craft, and honing an ability. You pay for all the mistakes we won't make for you, because we've made them for ourselves already. You pay for the mind that has been training to deal with specific problems, and generate kick ass ideas, and original concepts.

These things are not born to us, they are learned. You are paying for the time you don't have to spend learning the craft. Just like you pay for pizza when you don't want to make it yourself.

Art is just like anything else when it comes to business. You get what you pay for.

I'm just not willing to deliver poor quality goods.

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SayoSaHa Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
You have no idea how much I agree with that rant.
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AtariPunk633 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
hear hear! its the truth!
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KennoArkkan Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
this thing should be sticked at the entrance of deviantart. seriously.
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Gregatron Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well put! But whatever field your skills lay in, you'll get asked to work for free at some point. Some more than others I imagine, but not exclusively artists. I get asked to provide free IT support quite often.
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leviadragon99 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
Yep, and I'm one of those that accepts that, my first instinct is always to inquire about commissions, not requests.

If the prices are within my reach, I'll often commission that person, if not, no hard feelings.
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Pirate-Cashoo Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I totally agree, I've dealt with the same bullshit.
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Dmitrys Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
its not bullshit just some naive people.
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Komikino Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are my hero!
Now, do you want to do art for my super sweet video game that I am secretly working on in my garage? :)
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Illun Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said. Sadly, I can contradict you on part. People do indeed ask chefs, gardeners and lawyers for free work like that. And programmers. I get asked fairly often for free work both in coding and in basic computer support (and anything vaguely related to electronics). People in nearly all professional lines of work get that, even from other professionals, I'm afraid.

Though I'll grant that intellectual work gets the worst of it since people can't grasp what goes into it unless they do that sort of work.

About the only ones that don't have to deal with this are managers, since nobody wants someone else to manage them. ;)
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Dmitrys Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
why do you do tha programming work for free? i understand do something for friends and famally.
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Illun Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
In general, I don't. My point was that people ask...and ask...and ask. Even my parents get "no" if they ask for free programming work. I'll -teach- family for free (and have done so with my younger brother), but I won't do it for them for free. Since I learned to say no, I have only made exceptions for causes I believe in which were smart enough not to ask me directly.
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Idrawstuff1979 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
not really a rant at all. this should be common knowledge. i feel you. so many people want you to work for free its kinda insulting.
man up people.
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djgaijin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
I agree with this wholeheartedly, with one caveat: he really shouldn't have brought up lawyers, because they do sometimes work for free. It's called pro bono (Latin meaning "for the good"); basically donating their services for charity.
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IzzyMedrano Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Professional Artist
As well there is no pro bono work for intellectual properties, as I had mentioned. Way too much money to be gained in the creative licensing fields. See?
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djgaijin Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
That's true. I just think it muddies the water a bit.
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IzzyMedrano Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010  Professional Artist
right.
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ipzofakto Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
Aaaaand pro bono work is usually done in civil cases when there is a percentage of a settlement due after the case is over.
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AuthorNobilis Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
Actually, no, that's not "Pro Bono" that's "Contingency". Pro Bono means not getting paid at all.

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ipzofakto Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
Whelp, I have learned something new today. Thanks for correcting me. :)
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Illun Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
There's a difference though. They choose what pro bono work they do, and they're required to do a certain amount of pro bono work for various reasons.
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nurunuru Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oops, I should have posted that on the original author's journal, not here. I'll do that now.
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nurunuru Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dude all you gotta say is SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL
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DarkSamuraiX1999 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
lol nice
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Beaver-Skin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
Fucken saved.
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Crash2014 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Bravo!
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